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            1              SCRANTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING

 

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            5                          HELD:

 

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            7                Tuesday, September 8, 2009

 

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            9                        LOCATION:

 

           10                    Council Chambers

 

           11                 Scranton City Hall

 

           12              340 North Washington Avenue

 

           13                Scranton, Pennsylvania

 

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                    CATHENE S. NARDOZZI, RPR - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER

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            2   CITY OF SCRANTON COUNCIL:

 

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                MR. ROBERT MCGOFF, PRESIDENT

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            6   MS. JUDY GATELLI, VICE-PRESIDENT

 

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                MS. JANET E. EVANS

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            9   MS. SHERRY FANUCCI

 

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                MR. WILLIAM COURTRIGHT

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           12   MS. KAY GARVEY, CITY CLERK

 

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                MR. NEIL COOLICAN, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK

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           15   MR. AMIL MINORA, SOLICITOR

 

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            1                      (Pledge of Allegiance recited and

 

            2              moment of reflection observed.)

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF:  Roll call, please?

 

            4                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Evans.

 

            5                      MS. EVANS:  Here.

 

            6                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mrs. Gatelli.

 

            7                      MS. GATELLI:  Here.

 

            8                      MR. COOLICAN:  Ms. Fanucci.

 

            9                      MS. FANUCCI:  Here.

 

           10                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. Courtright.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Here.

 

           12                      MR. COOLICAN:  Mr. McGoff.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF:  Here.  Dispense with

 

           14              the reading of the minutes.

 

           15                      MS. GARVEY: 3-A. AGENDA FOR THE

 

           16              ZONING HEARING BOARD MEETING HELD ON AUGUST

 

           17              12, 2009.

 

           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?

 

           19              If not, received and filed.

 

           20                      MS. GARVEY: 3-B. TAX COLLECTION

 

           21              COMPARISON REPORTS RECEIVED FROM THE SINGLE

 

           22              TAX OFFICE ON AUGUST 11, 2009.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?

 

           24              If not, received and filed.

 

           25                      MS. GARVEY: 3-C. APPLICATIONS AND


 

 

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            1              DECISIONS RENDERED BY THE ZONING HEARING

 

            2              BOARD MEETING HELD ON AUGUST 12, 2009.

 

            3                       MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?

 

            4              If not, received and filed.

 

            5                      MS. GARVEY: 3-D. MINUTES OF THE

 

            6              COMPOSITE PENSION BOARD MEETING HELD ON JULY

 

            7              22, 2009.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?

 

            9              If not, received and filed.

 

           10                      MS. GARVEY: 3-E. MINUTES OF THE

 

           11              NON-UNIFORM MUNICIPAL PENSION BOARD MEETING

 

           12              HELD ON JULY 22, 2009.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?

 

           14              If not, received and filed.

 

           15                      MS. GARVEY: 3-F. MINUTES OF THE

 

           16              FIREMEN'S PENSION COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON

 

           17              JULY 22, 2009.

 

           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?

 

           19              If not, received and filed.

 

           20                      MS. GARVEY: 3-G. MINUTES OF THE

 

           21              POLICE PENSION COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON

 

           22              JULY 22, 2009.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?

 

           24              If not, received and filed.

 

           25                      MS. GARVEY: 3-H. AGENDA FOR THE


 

 

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            1              NON-UNIFORM MUNICIPAL PENSION BOARD MEETING

 

            2              HELD ON AUGUST 26, 2009.

 

            3                       MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?

 

            4              If not, received and filed.

 

            5                      MS. GARVEY: 3-I. AGENDA FOR THE

 

            6              ZONING HEARING BOARD MEETING TO BE HELD ON

 

            7              SEPTEMBER 9, 2009.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF: Are there any comments?

 

            9              If not, received and filed.

 

           10                      MS. GARVEY: 3-J. CONTROLLER'S REPORT

 

           11              FOR THE MONTH ENDING JULY 31, 2009.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you, Mrs. Garvey.

 

           13              Are there any comments?  If not, received

 

           14              and filed.  Thank you, Mrs. Garvey.  Any

 

           15              announcements from members of counsel?  Mrs.

 

           16              Gatelli?

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: Yes.  The first thing I

 

           18              would like to announce is the Night Out

 

           19              against crime will be held Tuesday,

 

           20              September 15 at the Tripp Park Complex from

 

           21              5 to 9.  It's unfortunate that it's being

 

           22              held on a Tuesday evening when there is

 

           23              council meeting going on because I'm sure

 

           24              most of us go to that fair, and I'm very

 

           25              disappointed that we won't be able to be


 

 

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            1              there.  Hopefully the meeting will be over a

 

            2              little early next week and we can take a

 

            3              scoot over after the meeting, but I'm glad

 

            4              to see that they are having it.  There will

 

            5              be a canine demonstration and parade, the

 

            6              smokehouse from the fire department, free

 

            7              hot dogs and drinks and Tommy the DJ

 

            8              sponsored by the Scranton Police Department.

 

            9                      Also, on Sunday, September 20, from

 

           10              noon to seven, will be Lebanese Heritage Day

 

           11              at St. Ann's Marian Church.  They will have

 

           12              all kinds of Lebanese food and things for

 

           13              the children, Sumner Avenue and West Price

 

           14              Street in West Scranton, and that's the only

 

           15              announcements I have.  Thank you.

 

           16                      MS. EVANS: Please remember in your

 

           17              prayers all those who are died in the last

 

           18              month, particularly retired lieutenant Ben

 

           19              Davis, a firefighter who served our city

 

           20              with dedication and professionalism and his

 

           21              dear family and friends he leaves behind.

 

           22              May God show his tender mercies to the Davis

 

           23              family, and especially his son Mark, who is

 

           24              also a Scranton firefighter.

 

           25                      This Friday as a nation we


 

 

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            1              commemorate the 9/11 attacks against

 

            2              America.  I ask you to remember in your

 

            3              prayers all of the victims of this tragedy

 

            4              and their family members who forever suffer

 

            5              their loss.  A memorial service will be held

 

            6              at McDade Park at 8 a.m., and a brief

 

            7              service will be held at St. Ann's Basilica

 

            8              at noon.

 

            9                      The annual St. Paul's church picnic

 

           10              will be conducted this Friday, Saturday and

 

           11              Sunday, September 11, 12 and 13 on the

 

           12              church grounds at the corner of Marian

 

           13              Street and Penn Avenue.  The picnic offers

 

           14              great food, games, raffles and fun for all

 

           15              ages.

 

           16                      An AIDS walk will be conducted on

 

           17              September 19 at Nay Aug Park.  Registration

 

           18              is $10 and it opens at 10 a.m., and the walk

 

           19              itself begins at 11:30 a.m.  All proceeds

 

           20              benefit the Scranton Temple Health Center.

 

           21              Please come out and support this very worthy

 

           22              cause.

 

           23                      On Sunday, September 20, from 12 to

 

           24              6 p.m., the Polish Food Festival will be

 

           25              held at St. Stanislaus Youth Center at 530


 

 

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            1              East Elm Street in Scranton.  The food is

 

            2              out of this world, so treat yourself to some

 

            3              Polish delicacies.

 

            4                      Also, I wish to commend all those

 

            5              who worked on the Latino Pride Parade of

 

            6              Events and the Italian Festival in the City

 

            7              of Scranton.  Both events were highly

 

            8              successful and Scranton is most proud to

 

            9              serve as their host city.

 

           10                      Council received a petition from the

 

           11              residents of Taylor Avenue, Linden Street

 

           12              and North Irving Avenue which opposes the

 

           13              installation of a 40-foot dumpster compactor

 

           14              by the University of Scranton at 322

 

           15              Wenzelli Court.  The Court lies between

 

           16              Taylor and North Irving Avenues.  Residents

 

           17              object to the odor, noise, and unsightly

 

           18              appearance of the dumpster/compactor.  As a

 

           19              council, I believe it is our duty to

 

           20              safeguard the welfare, safety, and peace of

 

           21              mind of Scranton residents, therefore, I

 

           22              would like a letter from Scranton City

 

           23              Council to the University of Scranton with a

 

           24              petition attached requesting the removal of

 

           25              the dumpster compactor with my colleague's


 

 

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            1              agreement.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Fine by me.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI: Agree.

 

            4                      MS. FANUCCI: Second.

 

            5                      MS. EVANS:  Thank you.  And if, Kay,

 

            6              we might also send a letter to licensing and

 

            7              inspections to make sure that they're in

 

            8              contact with the University as well, and

 

            9              this should be moved as soon as possible.

 

           10                      Finally, I hope everyone enjoyed a

 

           11              wonderful Labor Day weekend and recognized

 

           12              the significance of our hardworking labor

 

           13              unions both past and present whose sacrifice

 

           14              and commitments to fair labor practices for

 

           15              all working Americans are the backbone of

 

           16              our great country.  If you traveled the

 

           17              courthouse square area during the Italian

 

           18              festival, I hope you admired the statute of

 

           19              our ground breaking labor leader John

 

           20              Mitchell who was largely responsible for

 

           21              this American holiday, and that's all.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Mr. McGoff, I -- I

 

           23              discussed this with Mr. McGoff earlier, I

 

           24              wanted to do this in the beginning of the

 

           25              meeting so maybe we can get out in front of


 

 

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            1              something.  Right before we took our break

 

            2              for the summer there was an issue that came

 

            3              up about two grants actually that went out

 

            4              to the Justice Department.  What had

 

            5              happened was there was a letter sent to the

 

            6              Justice Department that council was unaware

 

            7              of, I want to read one to you because they

 

            8              are either exactly the same or similar, I

 

            9              should say.  This is to Traci Williams from

 

           10              the Justice Department, and the letter is

 

           11              sent by the grant writer the City of

 

           12              Scranton has.  Now, keep in mind, the grant

 

           13              writer is part-time for the City of Scranton

 

           14              and full-time for the county.

 

           15                      "Let this correspondence serve as

 

           16              official notification that the memorandum of

 

           17              understanding between the City of Scranton,

 

           18              Moosic, South Abington, Carbondale, and

 

           19              Lackawanna County pursuant to the 2009 JAG

 

           20              nonfederal grant was offered into the

 

           21              Scranton City Council Committee on Public

 

           22              Safety, Tuesday, April 7, 2009, and was

 

           23              unanimously approved per Chief David

 

           24              Elliott.

 

           25                      Additionally, the memorandum of


 

 

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            1              understanding was introduced in the regular

 

            2              minutes of Scranton City Council and made

 

            3              available for the public comment.  To date,

 

            4              all public comment has been overwhelmingly

 

            5              positive about the programs intentions per

 

            6              Chief David Elliott.  Thank you for your

 

            7              consideration in this manner and please do

 

            8              not hesitate to contact with me with any

 

            9              questions."

 

           10                      And it's sent by the grant writer,

 

           11              part-time grant writer for the City of

 

           12              Scranton.  That letter was dated May 18th of

 

           13              2009.  We have the same letter July 8th of

 

           14              2008.  When was discovered through members

 

           15              of the public that asked questions of me,

 

           16              also members of council asked questions of

 

           17              me, I believe it was discovered by the

 

           18              business administration office, what

 

           19              happened was none of this actually happened.

 

           20              We never saw any of this legislation.  We

 

           21              didn't see the legislation for 2008.  We did

 

           22              not see the legislation for 2009.  We did

 

           23              not vote on it.  It was not passed

 

           24              unanimously.  There was no public comment

 

           25              and they did not receive it overwhelmingly


 

 

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            1              because it just simply did not happen.

 

            2                      So I went and I spoke with them, and

 

            3              bear with me because it's a little bit

 

            4              lengthy explanation here, I went and I spoke

 

            5              to Mary Theresa Patterson, who is the city

 

            6              solicitor, and she called in Stu Renda, who

 

            7              is the business administrator, and we

 

            8              discussed it and we had a phone conversation

 

            9              with Dave Elliott.  Because of the phone

 

           10              conversation that we had with Dave Elliott

 

           11              we had a meeting with Mr. McGoff, myself and

 

           12              Ray Hayes, who is the Director of Public

 

           13              Safety, Mary Theresa Patterson and Dave

 

           14              Elliott and we discussed how could something

 

           15              like this happen.

 

           16                      That meeting spawned another meeting

 

           17              which is a meeting, so as you can see we

 

           18              weren't just doing nothing during the break,

 

           19              another meeting with Mr. McGoff, myself,

 

           20              Dave Elliott and the grant writer, again,

 

           21              the part-time grant writer for the county,

 

           22              full-time with the county.  That in turn had

 

           23              another meeting resulted from it, and that

 

           24              was with the grant writer, her supervisor

 

           25              from the county, Mr. McGoff, and myself.


 

 

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            1                      And the reason I bring it up now is

 

            2              because I know there was people from the

 

            3              public that asked questions, and I believe

 

            4              people from the people sent letters to the

 

            5              JAG office, the federal government, and sent

 

            6              letters to our office and I thought I could

 

            7              just give you some information now.  So what

 

            8              appears is there was a colossal

 

            9              misunderstanding between the grant writer

 

           10              and Dave Elliott.  If there is any further

 

           11              questions I would most certainly be happy to

 

           12              answer them from anybody if you just want

 

           13              explanation when you come to the podium or

 

           14              anybody on council here, but I want to get

 

           15              this out front now so that you know we are

 

           16              not trying to hide anything.

 

           17                      Well, the grant is going to be given

 

           18              to us, all right.  I believe we need to have

 

           19              an account opened up for it.  We didn't have

 

           20              any of the proper procedures done because we

 

           21              did not know about it.  We didn't know what

 

           22              they were.

 

           23                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, yes, as

 

           24              you just mentioned there is legislation on

 

           25              tonight's agenda that pertains to the JAG


 

 

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            1              grant and I'm very grateful that the city is

 

            2              receiving this money, and I'm going to vote

 

            3              "yes" to introduce it tonight because I know

 

            4              we sorely need these funds.  The police

 

            5              department needs more than is even available

 

            6              to us at this point in time, particularly in

 

            7              light of what occurrences have been revealed

 

            8              in the last month, but I'm not -- I realize,

 

            9              okay, there were two letters, you have had -

 

           10              you and Mr. McGoff have had now what was

 

           11              that three meetings over --

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I have had four.

 

           13                      MS. EVANS: Four meetings, okay, and

 

           14              can you explain to me though you said there

 

           15              is a colossal misunderstanding, what is this

 

           16              big misunderstanding?  I mean, what is the--

 

           17              please, if you can in detail tell us what

 

           18              this misunderstanding is because my concern

 

           19              since you brought this out publically now is

 

           20              the fact that false information was provided

 

           21              to the Justice Department with regard to

 

           22              Scranton City Council and someone has to be

 

           23              held responsible for that.  Do we know, I

 

           24              mean, what's been the end result of the four

 

           25              meetings?


 

 

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            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.  I'll be happy

 

            2              to explain it, and again, this is the reason

 

            3              I brought it up because we don't want to

 

            4              look like we are hiding anything, but I

 

            5              would ask Mr. Minora if in my explanation do

 

            6              you think I'm giving information that's

 

            7              confidential and I shouldn't be giving would

 

            8              you jump in?

 

            9                      MR. MINORA:  I will, but I don't see

 

           10              that this is a personnel matter or

 

           11              litigation.  I mean, it's --

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.

 

           13                      MR. MINORA: It's legislation, so if

 

           14              there is a problem --

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll also ask

 

           16              Mr. McGoff if I'm on base then or incorrect

 

           17              because the only meeting he wasn't on was

 

           18              the first one when I spoke to the attorney

 

           19              with the city and Mr. Renda, and I'll try to

 

           20              summarize it and then I will be more than

 

           21              happy to give you more detail if you need it

 

           22              and then further after the meeting give you

 

           23              more detail.

 

           24                      My understanding of what has

 

           25              happened is that, and again, please correct


 

 

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            1              me if I'm wrong because this is a little bit

 

            2              of a touchy situation, the grant writer was

 

            3              told by the police department that on

 

            4              April 7 we -- council was going to be

 

            5              receiving legislation, all right?  And I

 

            6              have to assume that this is the same thing

 

            7              that the grant writer was told in 2008.

 

            8              This happened two years, we didn't catch it

 

            9              the first year and we caught it in 2009.  So

 

           10              she was told by Dave that the legislation is

 

           11              going to go before us.

 

           12                      What she did was she took an old

 

           13              letter to the Justice Department, I believe

 

           14              maybe 2007, and she merely copied it and put

 

           15              it in the dates, all right?  And I asked her

 

           16              in the last meeting that we had, you know,

 

           17              why would you do that, you know, and she

 

           18              said, "Well, that's what I was told.  I was

 

           19              told it was going in there."

 

           20                      I said, okay, you know, you sent

 

           21              that to the Justice Department -- she sent

 

           22              it to the Justice Department assuming that

 

           23              it went to us because they have told -- Dave

 

           24              Elliott told her it was coming to us.  She

 

           25              had no reason to believe otherwise.


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, just one

 

            2              quick question in case I forget -- or

 

            3              Mr. McGoff, is it the grant writer's job

 

            4              then to notify city council that this

 

            5              legislation should be coming or is it the

 

            6              job of the legal department or the job of

 

            7              the police department, who typically

 

            8              contacts city council to put the legislation

 

            9              on?

 

           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I checked into this,

 

           11              this was a question brought up and, Kay, now

 

           12              you can correct me if I'm incorrect, what

 

           13              had happened in the past is the police

 

           14              department would send a letter to the law

 

           15              department, the law department would write

 

           16              legislation that would come to us, and then

 

           17              we always passed it and I think the grant

 

           18              writer, you know, assumed we would this

 

           19              time, which I'm sure we would have.

 

           20                      MS. EVANS: Oh, yes.

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  But that didn't

 

           22              happen.  It went to the law department on

 

           23              2008 and I guess again in 2009, and somehow

 

           24              the business administrator caught it this

 

           25              time.  So she had no reason to believe that


 

 

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            1              it didn't go to us.  I said, well, did you

 

            2              not have to have someone sign off on this?

 

            3              She said it went electronically.  I believe,

 

            4              and correct me if I'm wrong here, Bob, the

 

            5              last thing I think she said Dave Elliott got

 

            6              a copy and then a copy goes electronically

 

            7              and then he has access to her e-mail.  I

 

            8              don't know, you know, she assumed that it

 

            9              went to us.  No one told her differently, so

 

           10              I guess that raises another question.

 

           11                      MS. EVANS: Well, Mr. Courtright, I

 

           12              was wondering, as I said, the legislation is

 

           13              included on tonight's agenda and I do know

 

           14              that the city sorely needs this money.

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.

 

           16                      MS. EVANS: And it's not my intention

 

           17              to stand in the way of the creation of the

 

           18              account or the acceptance of the grant, but

 

           19              I still have questions about last year's

 

           20              grant, for example, how much was received,

 

           21              where was that money placed and what I am

 

           22              wondering though is before we cast our final

 

           23              vote on this legislation to accept the JAG

 

           24              grant and create the new account for

 

           25              placement therein, would you be able to set


 

 

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            1              up a meeting for me with this grant writer

 

            2              and yourself as Chair of the Public Safety

 

            3              Committee because there are a few questions

 

            4              I would like to ask her myself?

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And maybe that would

 

            6              be a good idea then there would be no

 

            7              miscommunication.  I tried to call everyone.

 

            8              I did talk to Judy and Bob was there, I

 

            9              talked to you, Sherry.  I didn't get a

 

           10              chance to talk to you.  Yeah, I think she

 

           11              is -- would be more than willing to speak

 

           12              with you, I'll ask if --

 

           13                      MS. EVANS: Could you set that up for

 

           14              me?

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: When you would be

 

           16              available and I would call her and get the

 

           17              story firsthand.

 

           18                      MS. EVANS: Okay.

 

           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I just know there

 

           20              are people from public, that's why I got

 

           21              people from the public asking questions and

 

           22              I think Bob would agree with me we did not

 

           23              want to look like we were doing anything

 

           24              wrong.

 

           25                      MS. EVANS: But we did nothing wrong.


 

 

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            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right, we didn't.

 

            2                      MS. EVANS: We had no part in this.

 

            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: We were unaware of

 

            4              this, and that's one of the great concerns

 

            5              that we had --

 

            6                      MS. EVANS: I'm just looking to get

 

            7              to the bottom of it and to --

 

            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Absolutely.

 

            9                      MS. EVANS: -- find out where all of

 

           10              the money is or how the money has been

 

           11              dispersed and --

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: We did get that.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: Can I -- the 2000 -- the

 

           14              2008 JAG money was approved.  There has --

 

           15              it has to the been drawn upon as of yet, so

 

           16              there is no money -- it's still --

 

           17                      MS. EVANS: Sits somewhere.  Do you

 

           18              know where?

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: It's still with the

 

           20              Department of Justice.  There has been no

 

           21              money -- she has not drawn down that amount

 

           22              from 2008.

 

           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  She needs to start

 

           24              the --

 

           25                      MS. EVANS: We received a grant, the


 

 

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            1              Justice Department maintains those funds and

 

            2              as we need them they are --

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI:  Drawn now.

 

            4                      MS. EVANS: -- applied for or drawn

 

            5              down.

 

            6                      MR. MCGOFF: Right.

 

            7                      MS. EVANS: And we are saying that in

 

            8              a whole year the police department didn't

 

            9              need to use those funds for any reason?

 

           10              That doesn't seem to hold water.

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF: I'm telling -- you know

 

           12              what, I don't know whether they needed it or

 

           13              not.  That money has -- and this is from the

 

           14              grant writer since she is the one that draws

 

           15              the funds --

 

           16                      MS. EVANS: Right.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF:  She said that there has

 

           18              been no money drawn from that 2008.

 

           19                      MS. EVANS: Well, that's certainly

 

           20              a--

 

           21                      MR. MCGOFF: Can I also add to this,

 

           22              that when it was discovered that this

 

           23              letter -- the letter that Mr. Courtright

 

           24              read, when it was discovered that that was

 

           25              part of the application a retraction was


 

 

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            1              sent, communication from the grant writer

 

            2              and through Chief Elliott's Office was sent

 

            3              to the Department of Justice.  The

 

            4              Department of Justice responded saying

 

            5              basically that fine, procedural error, there

 

            6              was no problem, that it should be presented

 

            7              to council and --

 

            8                      MS. EVANS: They were aware we have

 

            9              done this for two consecutive years?

 

           10                      MR. MCGOFF: Yes.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  There should be two

 

           12              letters sent.

 

           13                      MR. MCGOFF: For want of a better

 

           14              term, there was a letter of retraction and

 

           15              it did say it was 2008-2009 and the

 

           16              Department of Justice simply said, you know,

 

           17              follow through, make sure it goes to council

 

           18              like there was no -- so we did not lose any

 

           19              funds.  There is no recriminations, you

 

           20              know, through the Justice Department.  As

 

           21              far as the Justice Department is concerned

 

           22              the situation has been rectified so, that

 

           23              you know, that part of it is, I'm going to

 

           24              say kind of no harm, no foul type-thing.

 

           25              Now, I understand your concern over the


 

 

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            1              procedural part of it, but I want --

 

            2                      MS. EVANS: Well, the procedural part

 

            3              of it in addition to the fact that monies,

 

            4              let us say, approved by the Justice

 

            5              Department remain untouched for this amount

 

            6              of time had we need Scranton police officers

 

            7              on the street and they need better equipment

 

            8              and we are not touching a grant that was

 

            9              approved for the 2008 year.

 

           10                      MS. FANUCCI: There is a lot of

 

           11              reasons for that though, because when we

 

           12              draw federal funds and funds from the state

 

           13              we are only allowed to max out a certain

 

           14              percentage per yea, so just because we were

 

           15              approved doesn't mean that you're able to

 

           16              take it out, we might have been using it in

 

           17              other areas, for instance, they are only

 

           18              certain amount of percentage, in fact, you

 

           19              should write a letter to Stu, maybe Kay can

 

           20              write a letter to Stu, find out what the

 

           21              reason for funding not being used was, and

 

           22              how much we are allowed percentagewise to

 

           23              draw on from the federal government and also

 

           24              from the state for the police officers

 

           25              yearly.  That might clear a lot of that up


 

 

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            1              because I know -- the same thing happens

 

            2              from the state with us.  We can only do so

 

            3              much with this CDBG or want to use for them

 

            4              or any of the cops on the street or --

 

            5                      MS. EVANS: I see what you are saying

 

            6              and how that can --

 

            7                      MS. FANUCCI: Right, but that's what

 

            8              I mean --

 

            9                      MS. EVANS: And maybe if we --

 

           10                      MS. FANUCCI: --if you understand

 

           11              that if get from them at your different

 

           12              levels you can't use them because you

 

           13              already used how many --

 

           14                      MS. EVANS: And will the Justice

 

           15              Department continue to grant additional

 

           16              funding when they are in possession of

 

           17              information that says, "You have not used a

 

           18              penny of what was granted to you the prior

 

           19              year because you were unable to do so,

 

           20              "because in effect I guess what we're saying

 

           21              is we are overfunded.

 

           22                      MS. FANUCCI: No, no, no.

 

           23                      MS. EVANS: According to the --

 

           24              according to the formulas that happened --

 

           25                      (Whereupon council members began


 

 

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            1              speaking on top of on another.)

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: One more thing

 

            3              because I know we off track here, there is

 

            4              some paperwork from the council and -- I

 

            5              think one thing is that I don't know how we

 

            6              would have used the money because there was

 

            7              not a special city account opened to put it

 

            8              into, right, we always make special city

 

            9              account so there has been no legislation.

 

           10              There is no legislation asking us to open a

 

           11              special city council so how could we have

 

           12              drawn down on it, so that's number one.

 

           13                      But when I sat this there and asked

 

           14              Stu there was confusion because there are

 

           15              checks being written and I'm telling you

 

           16              there is a pile of stuff here, a pile of

 

           17              stuff here.  And maybe just the answer is to

 

           18              have this meeting with this young lady and

 

           19              speak to her and then maybe can you list the

 

           20              questions.

 

           21                      MS. EVANS: Yes.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Because every time

 

           23              we speak I learn something new and --

 

           24                      MS. EVANS: Well, I would like the

 

           25              opportunity I think just to clarify --


 

 

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            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll call her

 

            2              tomorrow and see --

 

            3                      MS. EVANS: -- for myself that I take

 

            4              it seriously anyway.

 

            5                      MR. MCGOFF:  Just as an addendum,

 

            6              the stenographer was having a difficult time

 

            7              when were are talking at the same time if we

 

            8              could have a little bit of sympathy for her

 

            9              plight.

 

           10                      MS. GATELLI: I think you should

 

           11              schedule her so we can all be there.

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Yeah.

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.

 

           14                      MS. GATELLI: If she should come to a

 

           15              caucus.

 

           16                      MS. EVANS: If she could attend the

 

           17              public caucus.  But, Mr. Courtright, I would

 

           18              still like to continue with --

 

           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll give her a

 

           20              call.

 

           21                      MS. EVANS: I'll come into a meeting

 

           22              prior to next week.

 

           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I go to be honest

 

           24              with you, I'm sorry, I was told, I don't

 

           25              know how comfortable she would be being on


 

 

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            1              TV.  She was rather nervous when we met with

 

            2              her.

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI: We can meet in the

 

            4              office.  It doesn't have to be on the TV.

 

            5                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Again, I just want

 

            6              to say, this girl works full-time for the

 

            7              county, she is only part-time for us, and I

 

            8              don't want to see her get a bad wrap.

 

            9                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Courtright, we have a

 

           10              grant writer.  The city employs a grant

 

           11              writer, why was our grant writer not

 

           12              involved in this process.  It would seem --

 

           13              if that individual had been -- maybe none of

 

           14              this would have happened because there

 

           15              aren't the actual city procedures in the

 

           16              processes, so --

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You are right.  You

 

           18              right.

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: May I -- on this one, at

 

           20              least in 2009, and I won't speak for the

 

           21              2008 because I don't know, but the 2009

 

           22              application also included two other -- two

 

           23              or three other municipalities.

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Right.  This is the

 

           25              first one.


 

 

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            1                      MR. MCGOFF: So it was more of a

 

            2              countywide or -- it was outside of the City

 

            3              of Scranton so that it was done through the

 

            4              grant writer in the county.  I know that

 

            5              from the 2009, again, I can't speak for the

 

            6              2008.

 

            7                      MS. EVANS: Oh, okay.  Thank you.

 

            8                      MR. MCGOFF: All right.

 

            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'll set it up.

 

           10                      MS. EVANS: Thank you.

 

           11                      MR. MCGOFF: Sorry for the --

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I apologize, I just

 

           13              wanted to get that out there.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Citizens' participation.

 

           15              Andy Sbaraglia.

 

           16                      MR. SBARAGLIA: Andy Sbaraglia,

 

           17              citizen of Scranton, fellow Scrantonians.

 

           18              There is two articles in the Times that

 

           19              affects your pocketbook.  We got a man in

 

           20              charge of the DCED is writing up this

 

           21              revised Recovery Plan, but some of the

 

           22              things that we don't know what's in it, but

 

           23              they did put two articles in the paper what

 

           24              this man was thinking.  It proposes

 

           25              expanding the business payroll tax to


 

 

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            1              nonprofits, one thing or increasing, this is

 

            2              us, our tax, our 52 tax, the $52 we pay in

 

            3              tax an hour from people working in the city

 

            4              to $145.  This is where these man is

 

            5              thinking, so what's happening is under this

 

            6              new revised recovery plan, which I was told

 

            7              we don't get to vote on for some dumb

 

            8              reason, we should write a new one and we

 

            9              should put a new one in, but for some reason

 

           10              we don't get a right to vote on this one.

 

           11              This one just comes, I don't even know if

 

           12              you get to vote on it.  I guess we get the

 

           13              Czar in here and he is going to tell us how

 

           14              much taxes we to pay and who has to pay it,

 

           15              but whatever it is people open your eyes.

 

           16              Open your ears and try to get as much

 

           17              information as you can out of this Recovery

 

           18              Plan because it don't come from you.  It

 

           19              really don't.  It's come out of the paper

 

           20              and affects everybody's pocketbook in this

 

           21              city.  What I could say is we are going to

 

           22              get burned.

 

           23                      Now, we got another article in here,

 

           24              which is this is bad, six municipal pension

 

           25              plans.  I spoke about pension plans maybe


 

 

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            1              two years ago that were underfunded, and I

 

            2              guess we are more underfunded now than we

 

            3              were when I spoke two years ago.  I quoted

 

            4              something like a loss of 23 million, I

 

            5              believe, and the point is with this recovery

 

            6              for this fixed municipal pension plan,

 

            7              someone has to makeup the pension plans.

 

            8                      If they decide that we have to keep

 

            9              this fund at 80 percent, 85 percent, that

 

           10              means someone has to pay, and who is going

 

           11              to pay?  Us.  All of us.  All of us in this

 

           12              city is going to have to pay toward this

 

           13              pension plan.  Now, if this is only the city

 

           14              we might be able to take it, but it's also

 

           15              all of the municipal employees, which is a

 

           16              whole different ballgame.  I don't know how

 

           17              they are down, but this is the crux.  If we

 

           18              get hit trying to bring up all of the state

 

           19              worker's pension plans up, we might as well

 

           20              all declare bankruptcy because we won't be

 

           21              able to afford it, and these are things that

 

           22              should be brought up to all of the people,

 

           23              you should have our state representatives

 

           24              actually come before us and explain to us

 

           25              what they can do and this.  As you know,


 

 

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            1              some of them are out of work, we all get

 

            2              pensions, at least, okay, I got one.  Most

 

            3              of yous I think got one except

 

            4              Mr. Courtright I don't know if he has one,

 

            5              but anyway, we all have to -- we need the

 

            6              pension, there is no question about it.  The

 

            7              only question is how much do we have to keep

 

            8              in reserve for these pensions and that's the

 

            9              important thing, to get to your state

 

           10              representatives and you should do it for us.

 

           11              You should contact Mr. Smith or Kevin Murphy

 

           12              and ask them to try to get a formula that we

 

           13              can live with because that's the most

 

           14              important thing we can do because if we get

 

           15              hit with this, plus God knows what our

 

           16              budget is going to be like, who knows.

 

           17              Maybe sky is the limit, who know.

 

           18                      Well, I guess I got a few more

 

           19              minutes, you are about to subordinate

 

           20              another loan.  You know what I think about

 

           21              subordination.  I have been saying that for

 

           22              years and years and years.  All you do is

 

           23              protect the banks and they definitely need

 

           24              protection, but the federal government is

 

           25              helping them all, so I don't know why we


 

 

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            1              have to protect them, too.  Your duty is to

 

            2              protect the taxpayers of the city.  We lost

 

            3              millions of dollars already.  I don't know

 

            4              if this is a good loan or not a bad loan.

 

            5              The A-Park building is a nice building, I

 

            6              always said it, but when the new owner

 

            7              bought it they kicked out the museum, which

 

            8              is in our basement.  Thank you.

 

            9                      MS. EVANS: Mr. Sbaraglia, can I see

 

           10              that article that you reading from for a

 

           11              moment, please?

 

           12                      MR. SBARAGLIA: You mind if I give it

 

           13              to her?

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.

 

           15                      MR. SBARAGLIA: You can have both of

 

           16              them if you want.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Ozzie Quinn.

 

           18                      MR. QUINN:  Ozzie Quinn, Taxpayers'

 

           19              Association.  First of all, the Taxpayers'

 

           20              Association submitted an application for the

 

           21              tenth year Community Development Block Grant

 

           22              for $7,000 for kids for swim, and I saw the

 

           23              ones that came over from OECD and their

 

           24              recommendation and it wasn't included, okay?

 

           25              I would appreciate it if you would look at


 

 

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            1              it.  I looked at the Scranton School

 

            2              District numbers and there is 5,200 families

 

            3              that would be able to benefit from this here

 

            4              program.  Would someone please consider

 

            5              looking at this here?

 

            6                      MS. EVANS:  We will doing just that

 

            7              --

 

            8                      MR. QUINN: Thank you very much.

 

            9                      MS. EVANS: -- Mr. Quinn, in fact,

 

           10              our president tonight asked after tonight's

 

           11              introduction of the proposed CDBG grants

 

           12              that each council member would go through

 

           13              very carefully those that have been selected

 

           14              by the administration versus all of the

 

           15              applicants.

 

           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Mrs. Evans, I just want

 

           17              to say it's here.  It is here.  It's part of

 

           18              our packet.  So it's on our list.

 

           19                      MS. EVANS: That's what I was saying

 

           20              to you.

 

           21                      MR. QUINN:  It's what?

 

           22                      MS. FANUCCI: It is -- the

 

           23              application it is part of our packet, so it

 

           24              is still active.

 

           25                      MR. QUINN:  Yeah, but our


 

 

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            1              application is not on there.

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI: These are the

 

            3              applications and yours is part of the

 

            4              application process, so it is here.

 

            5                      MS. EVANS: Yes, but what he is

 

            6              saying --

 

            7                      MS. FANUCCI: We can still vote on it

 

            8              for him.

 

            9                      MS. EVANS: Yes, it doesn't matter --

 

           10                      MS. FANUCCI: We can still vote on

 

           11              it.

 

           12                      MS. EVANS: You were included,

 

           13              indeed, in that the applicants, but between

 

           14              now and final passage of this legislation

 

           15              council will meet and will go over the list

 

           16              presented by the administration, make

 

           17              deletions, additions, in other words, I

 

           18              would be very hesitant to say that what you

 

           19              see on tonight's agenda is what the final

 

           20              passage will include.  There will be changes

 

           21              to this made by council I'm sure.

 

           22                      MR. QUINN:  I appreciate that.

 

           23                      MS. EVANS: And I will certainly

 

           24              consider the Kids Swim Free Program.  I have

 

           25              appreciated your efforts all of these years


 

 

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            1              and I do believe it should be part of the

 

            2              package.

 

            3                      MR. QUINN: Thank you very much.  The

 

            4              other thing is I wanted to discuss the fact

 

            5              that 5-i in regard to that subordination.

 

            6              You know, Mrs. Fanucci and Mrs. Gatelli, you

 

            7              know, I'm not going to say I gotcha, but I

 

            8              gotcha.  You said here publically, okay,

 

            9              that there wasn't any -- everybody was up

 

           10              the snuff in regards to business loans and

 

           11              over since the recess we come up with four

 

           12              or five that have been back two years

 

           13              delinquent, 700 and some thousand dollars

 

           14              total.  Now, you people should have known

 

           15              that.

 

           16                      MS. FANUCCI: Actually, I believe I

 

           17              did say that Whistles was one, but they did

 

           18              catch up, so that's not true so there was

 

           19              one.  I do agree that all indications in the

 

           20              letters we got stated otherwise so --

 

           21                      MR. QUINN:  Well, you may have been

 

           22              right on Whistle's, I don't know.

 

           23                      MS. FANUCCI:  We all asked together

 

           24              actually.  We sent a letter every time as a

 

           25              body, three times, so we were giving the


 

 

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            1              information we were provided with.

 

            2                      MR. QUINN: You may be right on that

 

            3              Whistle's, but I'm just saying that there is

 

            4              four properties that's causing $700,000,

 

            5              that's two years and you as the head of the

 

            6              CDBG should have been on top of that.

 

            7                      Now, I want to know, give me an

 

            8              explanation why is this bank getting the

 

            9              money and why is the taxpayers again going

 

           10              to be left out?  Can somebody explain that

 

           11              on this?

 

           12                      MS. EVANS: I can give you a brief

 

           13              run down on -- you are addressing on what's

 

           14              tonight's legislation?

 

           15                      MR. QUINN: Yes, please.

 

           16                      MS. EVANS: Originally OECD and city

 

           17              council had approved a business loan for

 

           18              this entity for $250,000.  It was a

 

           19              mortgage, the city holds that mortgage.  At

 

           20              the same time this business had received a

 

           21              $500,000 loan from a bank.  Since then I

 

           22              suppose there if we want to call it

 

           23              refinancing they have approached a new bank,

 

           24              they intend to pay off in full their loan

 

           25              with the first bank and in addition to that


 

 

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            1              they are going to borrow $300,000 above and

 

            2              beyond the $500,000.  So what had once been

 

            3              $500,000 with bank one will now become

 

            4              $800,000 with bank two.  The $250,000, I

 

            5              think it might have been a commercial

 

            6              revolving business loan through OECD, still

 

            7              stands, and the city, of course, takes a

 

            8              second position behind the bank in terms of

 

            9              repayment.  So it is, you know, just as an

 

           10              aside, it is my belief that the city should

 

           11              be paid for it's loan just as the bank is

 

           12              being paid for it's loan rather than our

 

           13              being carried over endlessly and placed in

 

           14              second and sometimes, not in this event, but

 

           15              sometimes third positions on repayment

 

           16              because, as we can see, the city has been

 

           17              losing miserably on a number of these loans

 

           18              at that were not identified to city council.

 

           19              So actually I'm going to I think be asking

 

           20              under my motions that this piece of

 

           21              legislation is tabled.

 

           22                      MR. QUINN:  Thank you, I appreciate

 

           23              that.  And I just want to mention that there

 

           24              is going to be a sale of property taxes by

 

           25              the county September 21 and there is 600


 

 

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            1              from the city.  Now, a property owner

 

            2              attached -- contacted me regarding the civil

 

            3              complaint -- could I have a couple -- Mrs.

 

            4              Evans, you spoke, could I have a final say?

 

            5              A civil complaint was filed and ruled on by

 

            6              the SRA as the assignee and the NCC

 

            7              Abrahamsen, who is the lawyer, the person

 

            8              owes $1,584.07 and they are asking for a

 

            9              judgment of $4,586.21.  That means that NCC

 

           10              is going to get a profit of $3,214.

 

           11                      MS. EVANS: Exactly.

 

           12                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Quinn --

 

           13                      MR. QUINN: Now, I called the other

 

           14              district justices and magistrates -- she

 

           15              gave me time.

 

           16                      MS. EVANS: Yes, I told him because I

 

           17              devoured his time.

 

           18                      MR. MCGOFF: Well --

 

           19                      MR. QUINN:  I called them up and

 

           20              they told me that they were also inundated

 

           21              by complaints from the city for collecting

 

           22              taxes.  Now, we are not dealing with bricks

 

           23              and mortar here, we are dealing with people.

 

           24              You know, you understand the stress that

 

           25              these people are under or don't you?


 

 

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            1                      MS. EVANS: I do.

 

            2                      MR. QUINN:  I know you do.  You

 

            3              know, and Mr. Courtright --

 

            4                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes.

 

            5                      MR. QUINN: I know you didn't vote

 

            6              for NCC, did you?

 

            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I'm sorry, I didn't

 

            8              hear you.

 

            9                      MR. QUINN: Did you vote for NCC?

 

           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  For these fees?

 

           11                      MR. QUINN:  Yeah.

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.

 

           13                      MS. FANUCCI: I did.

 

           14                      MR. QUINN:  This is ridiculous, you

 

           15              know.  This is utterly ridiculous, and how

 

           16              you can let this go on.  Mr. McGoff, you

 

           17              should take the bull by the horns and do

 

           18              something about it.  Don't you have any

 

           19              empathy?  Not compassion, they don't want

 

           20              compassion, they want empathy.  Now, they

 

           21              are getting hit double whammy from the

 

           22              county and the city.

 

           23                      MR. MCGOFF: Mr. Quinn, thank you.

 

           24                      MR. QUINN:  You know, some people, I

 

           25              agree, some people should pay their taxes,


 

 

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            1              but there is people out there that are

 

            2              hurting.  Thank you.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Les Spindler.

 

            4                      MR. SPINDLER:  Good evening,

 

            5              Council, Les Spindler.  Well, I was going to

 

            6              speak about Chief Elliott, but he was low on

 

            7              my list of priorities tonight, but he moved

 

            8              right to number one after what

 

            9              Mr. Courtright said tonight.  It just goes

 

           10              to prove what I've been saying and what a

 

           11              lot of other people have been saying, we

 

           12              have an incompetent police chief.  I brought

 

           13              it up a long time ago, he is holding back a

 

           14              report that has the two names of city

 

           15              employees who stole Gary DiBileo's signs,

 

           16              he's not doing anything about that, and he

 

           17              doesn't know how to schedule a national

 

           18              night out.  Everybody knew it was

 

           19              August 4th.  I knew, council knew, the Tripp

 

           20              Park Neighborhood Association knew, he

 

           21              scheduled it on the wrong night, and this is

 

           22              the police chief we've got?  No wonder this

 

           23              city is in shambles.

 

           24                      Moving on, talked about KOZ's',

 

           25              since I wasn't here in July I want to read


 

 

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            1              something from the July 10 Doherty

 

            2              Newsletter about KOZ's, "What little data

 

            3              are available suggests that Keystone

 

            4              Opportunity Zone Program has produced few

 

            5              jobs and economic development promised by

 

            6              proponents and participants the report

 

            7              reveals."

 

            8                      And this is contrary to what

 

            9              Mrs. Fanucci, Mr. McGoff and Mrs. Gatelli

 

           10              feel and we have said it all along the KOZ's

 

           11              are a waste and you people just keep voting

 

           12              for them.

 

           13                      Next thing, Holy Cross.  A Dioceses

 

           14              that's always complaining they need money

 

           15              and they turned down a $25,000 offer from

 

           16              Bob Bolus.  Well, to me there is more than

 

           17              meets the eye with this.  I think there is a

 

           18              deal being made between the city and the

 

           19              Diocese, just like the deal that was made

 

           20              for the Genesis Wildlife Center between the

 

           21              city and Lackawanna College, so I don't

 

           22              think you should pass this legislation, it's

 

           23              not right.

 

           24                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Spindler, you

 

           25              weren't here before, but we are voting


 

 

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            1              against that.  Mr. McGoff, we had a meeting

 

            2              beforehand and --

 

            3                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay.  And another

 

            4              thing, Mr. McGoff say on the July 28 meeting

 

            5              where the people been for four years.  Well,

 

            6              they weren't threatening to demolish it for

 

            7              four years, Mr. McGoff, they were just

 

            8              threatening to demolish it now.  That's why

 

            9              nobody was here for the last four years.

 

           10                      On August 2 Channel 16 reported a

 

           11              dumpster filled in the alley out back with

 

           12              documents with people social security

 

           13              numbers and other classified information and

 

           14              Ray Hayes says, "We are learning from our

 

           15              mistakes."

 

           16                      Well, obviously, they didn't because

 

           17              Ann Marie Stulgis found a load of index

 

           18              cards years ago with social security numbers

 

           19              on it and they didn't learn from that

 

           20              mistake.  So, you know, this city

 

           21              administration is just a joke.  Oh, and

 

           22              Chris Doherty blamed the summer help.  Well,

 

           23              wasn't the summer help supervised or did

 

           24              they just go in the room and throw

 

           25              everything out on their own?


 

 

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            1                      Okay, on what Ozzie said.  I

 

            2              remember specifically not long ago Mrs.

 

            3              Gatelli said all the loans are up-to-date.

 

            4              Well, here is a headline from the Doherty

 

            5              Newsletter: Brannigan's tab $557,000.  The

 

            6              city is getting stuck on that, and right

 

            7              after that Michael's Luxury Eyewear and

 

            8              Vidas Tapas Bar also that they owe $214,000.

 

            9              So where is the city going to get this

 

           10              money?  We are a distressed city and you

 

           11              three give out loans like you are giving out

 

           12              candy, but what do you do for the taxpayers?

 

           13              You just screw the taxpayers over.  You vote

 

           14              for fees and penalties so people lose their

 

           15              houses, you vote for a 25 percent tax hike

 

           16              and yet you vote for these loans for all of

 

           17              these millionaires.  You should -- you three

 

           18              are a disgrace.

 

           19                      Next on the list.  Again, in the

 

           20              Doherty Newsletter", Doherty, Act 47 helps

 

           21              city.  Chris Doherty went to Reading and he

 

           22              is giving them financial advice we are over

 

           23              $250 million in long-term debt and he is

 

           24              giving financial advice?  What a joke.

 

           25              That's like having an arsonist give advice


 

 

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            1              to a fire safety class.

 

            2                      Moving on --

 

            3                      MS. GATELLI:  He's the star tonight.

 

            4                      MR. SPINDLER: Okay moving on.

 

            5                      MS. GATELLI: You are going to be on

 

            6              YouTube now, Les.

 

            7                      MR. SPINDLER: On a serious note,

 

            8              myself and other people have come here for

 

            9              years saying there is gangs in this city,

 

           10              Chief Elliott and Chris Doherty denied it.

 

           11              It took a murder on State Road for Chris

 

           12              Doherty to admit there is gangs in the city,

 

           13              and two of these people came from the high

 

           14              school my daughter is going to which scares

 

           15              me to death.  Who knows if there is not more

 

           16              in that school.

 

           17                      Can I continue this?  Oh, there is

 

           18              article in the paper, the mayor is putting

 

           19              more police officers at the high school

 

           20              games and he says we are being proactive.

 

           21              No mayor, putting more cops the high school

 

           22              games isn't being proactive, proactive would

 

           23              have been if you'd listened to what we said

 

           24              three or four years ago and maybe this

 

           25              murder could have been prevented, and I have


 

 

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            1              more but I'll continue on next week.  Thank

 

            2              you.

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Bob Bolus.

 

            4                      MR. BOLUS:  Good evening, Council,

 

            5              welcome back.  Bob Bolus.  I guess we are

 

            6              going to talk about 7-A, so the council I

 

            7              believe is fully aware I had sent a fax that

 

            8              we raised our offer on Holy Cross from

 

            9              $25,000 to $35,000.  People said why did you

 

           10              bother to do that?  What is our history and

 

           11              our heritage in this city worth?  We can't

 

           12              put a dollar sign on it.  I don't believe

 

           13              anybody with any common sense seeing our

 

           14              city and where we are going will want to

 

           15              destroy and continue to destroy places that

 

           16              are house of worships or gateways to the

 

           17              city.  Gateway churches where people

 

           18              actually starting building around in this

 

           19              city and in communities nationally.

 

           20                      The Diocese sits here and cries,

 

           21              they are broke, they have no money, we can't

 

           22              do this and do that, but they want us to be

 

           23              their scapegoats.  Scrantonians to be their

 

           24              scapegoat to take over a church.  Why?

 

           25              Because their fiscal mismanagement of their


 

 

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            1              own funds.  They can't run their churches

 

            2              properly, they don't know what to do with

 

            3              their money, yet the Roman Catholic Churches

 

            4              is one of the richest businesses in the

 

            5              world starting from Rome across.

 

            6                      Why should we take this church and

 

            7              allow our heritage to be torn down and make

 

            8              a blacktop parking lot to satisfy a few?  To

 

            9              take over and worry about a basketball team

 

           10              the season.  There is parking down the

 

           11              street at the old tennis courts that are

 

           12              part of the University or whatever they may

 

           13              have been.  Give them that to park.  They

 

           14              can run up and down the court for hours,

 

           15              they can't walk a half a block to park the

 

           16              car?  I think it's absurd.

 

           17                      My intent is to keep this church,

 

           18              this facility, in it's entirety as it is

 

           19              today, to restore it.  Mr. McGoff, you made

 

           20              comments in the Scranton Times, oh, it's

 

           21              going to cost this or tear it down might be

 

           22              feasible.  It's not your problem.  It's my

 

           23              problem or it's whoever's problem with the

 

           24              Diocese that buys it.  We are going to put

 

           25              it on the taxrolls.  We not going to give it


 

 

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            1              a free parking lot, if you are going to do

 

            2              that for these people down there then how

 

            3              about we have one up on East Mountain and

 

            4              somewhere else in the city, and South Side

 

            5              and North Scranton, we just start making

 

            6              free parking lots out of every blighted

 

            7              parking lot in this city.

 

            8                      And what determines blight?  What

 

            9              determines how it gets from here to there

 

           10              ahead of everybody else.  How does it jump

 

           11              the line?  I would like to know that,

 

           12              please.  There is none.  There is no common

 

           13              sense behind it.  You cannot take burned out

 

           14              buildings that have been sitting for years

 

           15              that should have been torn down, put up for

 

           16              auction, with the contingency you buy it you

 

           17              must build on it.  You put it on the

 

           18              taxrolls.  It's about making money in this

 

           19              city.

 

           20                      Not the nonprofits who give nothing

 

           21              like the University, you know, sure they

 

           22              give great educations, but they don't pay

 

           23              their fair share.  All of them.  I don't

 

           24              care if it's a church, rectory, it should

 

           25              pay taxes because it's not a house of


 

 

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            1              worship.  These are the things that we are

 

            2              missing here and we are missing it big.

 

            3                      We lost how much from Molly

 

            4              Brannigan's and how much more with all of

 

            5              the other hundreds or hundreds and millions

 

            6              of dollars?  We should never take a second

 

            7              position to anyone.  We should always be

 

            8              first.  They go down, we get paid, and the

 

            9              banks don't want to do business with them

 

           10              then pay us off and give them 100 percent of

 

           11              their money.  We are their scapegoats and

 

           12              it's got to stop.  You got to confirm this

 

           13              is a business.  I don't know care how you

 

           14              look at it.

 

           15                      You must take a hardcore look at

 

           16              this, and tonight I'm asking you, this

 

           17              contract is probably null and void because

 

           18              to the benefits of some of us Catholics

 

           19              Martino is no longer in charge, and I

 

           20              applaud that, because I have seen the

 

           21              Catholic church destroying the house of

 

           22              worship where people were baptized, they

 

           23              grew up in, they were married in and they

 

           24              died and were buried in now destroyed.  We

 

           25              can't continue to do this.  Let them run


 

 

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            1              their own house.  They're big boys and

 

            2              girls, let them pay their fair share.  Not a

 

            3              dollar from the City of Scranton to pull

 

            4              them out of the fire.  I'm asking tonight

 

            5              that this be tabled, put on the back burner,

 

            6              because Martino is no longer involved.  He

 

            7              signed this contract, the solicitor probably

 

            8              would be better suited for this, but I

 

            9              believe the contract is now null and void

 

           10              because there is new head of the Diocese and

 

           11              he needs that opportunity.  We sent him a

 

           12              letter and we addressed it to him and asking

 

           13              him now to pay attention to this because

 

           14              Martino isn't here, and I believe Mr. Minora

 

           15              would agree with me that contract is now

 

           16              null and void.

 

           17                      MS. GATELLI: Mr. Bolus, I don't know

 

           18              if you heard me tell Mr. Spindler, but we

 

           19              discussed this in caucus with the

 

           20              Architectural Heritage Association and we

 

           21              have all agreed that we are voting "no."

 

           22                      We aren't going to table it, we are

 

           23              voting "no."

 

           24                      MS. BOLUS: I heard that,

 

           25              Mrs. Gatelli, but I want to be here tonight,


 

 

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            1              I took the time to come here, I wanted this

 

            2              on the record, I want the sincerity of what

 

            3              we are saying and what the Heritage

 

            4              Association is saying and council and

 

            5              everybody in the city to understanding.  We

 

            6              are Scrantonians and that's what comes

 

            7              first.  Not greed or misconceptions and

 

            8              little ideas and backdoor deals.  It has to

 

            9              stop and stop now, and I thank you for your

 

           10              consideration.  I'm sure everybody else

 

           11              will, too.

 

           12                      MS. GATELLI: I hope you are around

 

           13              when St. Francis is closed --

 

           14                      MR. BOLUS:  We'll buy them all.  It

 

           15              doesn't make a difference.  You could have

 

           16              Sister Gatelli, Sister Fanucci, Reverend --

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF: And Bishop Bolus.  Jean

 

           18              Suetta.  Sorry.  I'm sorry, Fay Franus.  My

 

           19              apologies.

 

           20                      MS. FRANUS:  Fay Franus.  I would

 

           21              like to applaud you for voting "no" for Holy

 

           22              Cross Church, but one thing, Mr. McGoff, I

 

           23              saw who you mentioned many times that the

 

           24              neighbors in Bellevue don't mind this

 

           25              parking lot.  I lived in Bellevue all my


 

 

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            1              life, the neighbors, over 30 of them that I

 

            2              spoke with, do not want a parking lot there

 

            3              and they very much so object.  I don't know

 

            4              who you spoke to, I'd love to know the

 

            5              names, because I don't know one person that

 

            6              wanted that torn down.  Not one.  So you

 

            7              don't speak for the neighbors in Bellevue.

 

            8                      Another thing, Mr. Courtright, was

 

            9              there a letter from the Department of

 

           10              Justice saying basically this is an

 

           11              oversight and they are just going to let

 

           12              this go?

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They acknowledged a

 

           14              letter from the city, they had a set of two,

 

           15              one from 2008 and one from 2009 telling the

 

           16              City of Scranton to correct the letters that

 

           17              were sent erroneously or in error.

 

           18                      MS. FRANUS:  Well, I definitely feel

 

           19              there should be an investigation because I

 

           20              believe from what I understand there was

 

           21              grants from 2002 up until now that Chief

 

           22              Elliott may have applied for -- or whoever

 

           23              the police chief might have been by then,

 

           24              but I think there should be an investigation

 

           25              of all of the grants that were asked for and


 

 

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            1              did they come in front of council for

 

            2              approval.

 

            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They are the only

 

            4              two I'm aware of.

 

            5                      MS. FRANUS:  Pardon me?  No, I'm not

 

            6              talking about -- maybe you are only aware of

 

            7              two years, I'm saying check back and see

 

            8              exactly how many grants --

 

            9                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I can do that.

 

           10                      MS. FRANUS:  How many grants went in

 

           11              front of the Justice and got approval, even

 

           12              received the money without council's

 

           13              approval.  It might take some digging, but

 

           14              it's certainly worth checking into.  I'd

 

           15              like to know if Chief Elliott deliberately

 

           16              said this without council's approval

 

           17              knowing, fully knowing that council didn't

 

           18              approve this.  That's what I would like to

 

           19              know.

 

           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: All right.  I will

 

           21              absolutely check that.

 

           22                      MS. FRANUS:  And I hope that you

 

           23              have a public meeting with the person, the

 

           24              grant writer.

 

           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: My fear is -- I just


 

 

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            1              told her time for a second.  My fear is that

 

            2              when this girl met with us, right, I don't

 

            3              want to point any fingers, I think she was

 

            4              mislead and I wouldn't want her to be

 

            5              persecuted for something that she really

 

            6              didn't do --

 

            7                      MS. FRANUS:  Bill, excuse me.  I

 

            8              don't mean for the people to speak with her,

 

            9              I just mean for the public to be in

 

           10              attendance like a caucus or anything.  I

 

           11              don't mean for the public to ask questions I

 

           12              just meant the public to be there.

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I will ask for Mrs.

 

           14              Evans' meeting, I will ask for a meeting

 

           15              with all of us.

 

           16                      MS. FRANUS:  Because if there is

 

           17              nothing to hide there is not a question that

 

           18              could be asked to her that she shouldn't

 

           19              be --

 

           20                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I agree.

 

           21                      MS. FRANUS:  Like I said, this is

 

           22              very important, just not 2008-2009.

 

           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Do you know, Fay,

 

           24              what you said, I told everybody at the

 

           25              meetings, this is exactly what would happen


 

 

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            1              and this is exactly what is happening.  The

 

            2              people want to know and they have every

 

            3              right to know.

 

            4                      MS. FRANUS:  We have a right to

 

            5              know.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: They have every

 

            7              right to know.

 

            8                      MS. FRANUS: And maybe somebody will

 

            9              squirm and they do not want to answer the

 

           10              questions, but we have a right to know.

 

           11                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Yes, you do.

 

           12                      MS. FRANUS:  And we also want to

 

           13              know how many of these grants did not come

 

           14              in front of city council for approval and

 

           15              who authorized it and I don't think this is

 

           16              just an oversight.

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I will absolutely

 

           18              check.  I will go back to 2002.

 

           19                      MS. FRANUS:  Yes, please.  Like I

 

           20              said, it might take some digging to go over

 

           21              all of the minutes, but --

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No, I'll do it.  I

 

           23              think you are 100 percent --

 

           24                      MS. FRANUS:  I'd like to know how

 

           25              many grants, what are the amounts, what were


 

 

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            1              though for and how many came in front of

 

            2              council for approval and how many did not

 

            3              come in front of council for approval and

 

            4              how much money was given to this police

 

            5              department.  Thank you very much.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You are welcome.

 

            7                      MR. MCGOFF:  Jean Suetta.

 

            8                      MS. SUETTA: Are you sure?

 

            9                      MR. MCGOFF: I'll double-check it.

 

           10                      MS. SUETTA: I came spiffy, huh?  You

 

           11              know how far I chased him for them?

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Nice.

 

           13                      MS. SUETTA: Jean Suetta.

 

           14                      MS. FANUCCI: I'm going to tell her

 

           15              you said that.

 

           16                      MS. SUETTA: What did he say?

 

           17                      MS. FANUCCI: He said nice legs.

 

           18                      MS. SUETTA: Nice.  I am nicey nice.

 

           19              I just got a couple of questions:  One,

 

           20              whatever happened to the lighted ballfield

 

           21              for our softball players?

 

           22                      MS. FANUCCI: We don't know.

 

           23                      MS. SUETTA:  Is there a grant coming

 

           24              for that?

 

           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't know.


 

 

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            1                      MS. SUETTA:  And you know this lady

 

            2              that was mislead, get the jackass that

 

            3              mislead her here.

 

            4                      MS. FANUCCI: We can't curse.

 

            5                      MS. SUETTA: I'm not cursing.  That's

 

            6              an animal or a donkey.  Get the donkey down

 

            7              here, all right?  I have to say hello to

 

            8              Ziggy Levandowski.  I met him in the

 

            9              hospital, we were getting tests.  Hi, Zig, I

 

           10              hope you are feeling better.  Thank you very

 

           11              much.  You don't know who he is.

 

           12                      The weeds.  The jungle is still on

 

           13              Greenridge Street.

 

           14                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You're right.

 

           15                      MS. FANUCCI: You are right.  I saw

 

           16              it the other day.

 

           17                      MS. SUETTA: I know.  Are they

 

           18              getting fined?

 

           19                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Didn't they cut a

 

           20              little bit?

 

           21                      MS. FANUCCI: They did a little bit

 

           22              in the beginning, but that was right in the

 

           23              beginning.

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  They did do

 

           25              something way back.


 

 

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            1                      MS. SUETTA: Look it, even Corrugated

 

            2              Box is letting their place go to hell now.

 

            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Who?

 

            4                      MS. SUETTA: Corrugated Box.

 

            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  That's new though.

 

            6              You never told us that before.

 

            7                      MS. SUETTA: No, today, yeah.  Now,

 

            8              my house was robbed Sunday.

 

            9                      MS. FANUCCI: No, it wasn't.

 

           10                      MS. SUETTA:  Yes, it was.  Now I'm a

 

           11              victim.  He better start giving our cops

 

           12              some kind of help because we got hooligans

 

           13              our neighborhood.  You can't say nothing

 

           14              to them.  If you do, the one called me

 

           15              something.  You want to tell me what he

 

           16              called you?

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT: No.  No.  Please

 

           18              don't.

 

           19                      MS. SUETTA: Twenty years ago I would

 

           20              have caught him on that skateboard.  I

 

           21              couldn't catch him, but if I catch them I

 

           22              can't hit them anyway because they are 14

 

           23              and 15 years old.  All my life my doors went

 

           24              open, that's how crazy.  I got three dogs

 

           25              and a cat and they robbed my house.


 

 

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            1              Nothing?

 

            2                      MS. FANUCCI: Sorry.

 

            3                      MS. SUETTA: They invaded my privacy,

 

            4              you know?  I'm investing I.  Got a couple of

 

            5              the banks looking -- a couple of the

 

            6              changers checking their videos, and God

 

            7              forbid if I find out, you know?  Two days I

 

            8              ain't slept.  It's no fun when somebody goes

 

            9              in your house and you are not there, and I

 

           10              have three dogs.  They ain't afraid of

 

           11              nothing, you know?  And I had -- they took a

 

           12              jug of money, a gallon jug of money, one of

 

           13              those pretzel ones, those big one,

 

           14              three-quarters full.  How they got it out of

 

           15              the house I don't know, but they did it on a

 

           16              Sunday, broad daylight.  I was gone from 1

 

           17              to 5.

 

           18                      Now, why?  What would I do if they

 

           19              come in my house and I'm there after bed?

 

           20              Hit them while they are there don't hit them

 

           21              with they are leaving; right?  Am I right or

 

           22              wrong?

 

           23                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I'm not going to

 

           24              give any advice, Jean, because if you do

 

           25              that --


 

 

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            1                      MS. SUETTA: No.  Well, I'll tell you

 

            2              what, the officer that came to my house was

 

            3              very nice, Anthony Redna?  Redner?

 

            4                      MS. GATELLI: Renda.

 

            5                      MS. SUETTA: Renda.  Very nice

 

            6              officer.  He couldn't say how I was holding

 

            7              my composure, but then I lost it.

 

            8                      MR. COURTRIGHT: He must have got a

 

            9              kick out of you.

 

           10                      MS. SUETTA: Well, then he got a

 

           11              little scared then after awhile, you know?

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't blame him.

 

           13                      MS. SUETTA:  But that's all.  You

 

           14              got to get more cops.

 

           15                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I agree.

 

           16                      MS. SUETTA: I mean, I got the

 

           17              scanner on, they are getting run ragged.

 

           18              All right.  Thanks.

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Lee Morgan.

 

           20                      MR. MORGAN: Good evening, Council.

 

           21              The first thing I have here is I think that

 

           22              the city, council and the mayor should

 

           23              consider turning over the city's pension

 

           24              plan to the state.  We have wrestled with

 

           25              this demon many times, and to be honest with


 

 

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            1              you, I don't know see how the City of

 

            2              Scranton is ever going to meet the

 

            3              obligations we are going to have with that

 

            4              pension plan.  I mean, we keep talking about

 

            5              it and councils have changed, administrators

 

            6              have changed, it's been millions off dollars

 

            7              short, and my personal opinion is that

 

            8              Mellon Bank in the beginning when I first

 

            9              came to council a long time ago may have

 

           10              been doing a fairly good job, but to be

 

           11              honest with you all of the pensions are just

 

           12              collapsing and when we look at the city and

 

           13              the amount of pressure that the residents

 

           14              are under, I don't see any possible way that

 

           15              the residents should keep bleeding them the

 

           16              way they are being bled.

 

           17                      I really think it's time for

 

           18              leadership in this council.  I'm wondering

 

           19              has council ever sat down with Austin Burke

 

           20              and maybe considered a plan for the Scranton

 

           21              Lace building that Mr. Boscov owns?  I have

 

           22              had an opportunity to speak to him and the

 

           23              developer about green technology jobs when

 

           24              the KOZ's were being killed by the Scranton

 

           25              School District, and believe me that was a


 

 

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            1              great thing for the city.

 

            2                      You know, I just -- I had to leave

 

            3              here before, I mean, I just couldn't sit

 

            4              here because I sit here week after week and

 

            5              I watch politics spin completely out of

 

            6              control and everybody wants the upper hand

 

            7              in politics, but the people in this city

 

            8              don't have the upper hand because this city

 

            9              has been so mismanaged that it's beyond

 

           10              belief, and council has the obligation to do

 

           11              investigations and in my opinion it's just

 

           12              not happening, and I don't know if it's ever

 

           13              going to happen.  We have cashed out

 

           14              blighted properties all over the city.  We

 

           15              have tore a lot of them down, we don't even

 

           16              maintain the lots they are on.  After we

 

           17              ripped the property down who is maintaining

 

           18              those lots?  Who is doing anything?  Nobody

 

           19              is doing anything.

 

           20                      Today a lot of people came here I

 

           21              think with the focus of the Scranton Times

 

           22              put on it that what was happening the Holy

 

           23              Cross was the most important issue in this

 

           24              city.  The most important issue in this city

 

           25              is the survival of the city itself and it's


 

 

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            1              residents.  Unemployment is 17 percent.  I

 

            2              mean, when you look at all of the numbers,

 

            3              the discouraged workers that stop looking,

 

            4              and my question for this council is do you

 

            5              have the answers?  Because you know

 

            6              something, I think everybody should -- I

 

            7              appreciate anybody who runs for a public

 

            8              office even, Mrs. Gatelli, there is talk you

 

            9              may run a write-in, and you know what?  I

 

           10              think you should.  And, Mrs. Fanucci, if you

 

           11              feel you should I think you should.  And I

 

           12              think that any resident in this city who

 

           13              thinks they should do a write-in should do a

 

           14              write-in, but we need some solutions to the

 

           15              problems that we have and we are just not

 

           16              getting them.  We are playing politics here

 

           17              with people's lives and it's just not right.

 

           18              Thank you.

 

           19                      MR. MCGOFF: Jim Talerico.

 

           20                      MR. TALERICO: Good evening, Council

 

           21              members.  My name is Jim Talerico.  I want

 

           22              to speak about the church on the corner of

 

           23              Fifth and Broadway.  Give you some

 

           24              background on me, I'm Catholic, I go to

 

           25              church every Sunday.  I went to Mother


 

 

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            1              Cabrini School for eight years, which is now

 

            2              closed.  I was an altar boy and served mass

 

            3              7:00 every day and at this time you had to

 

            4              Latin to be an altar boy.  My brother was

 

            5              the maintenance man at St. Lucy's Church,

 

            6              his wife sang in the choir, his

 

            7              mother-in-law was the sacristan, my mother

 

            8              helper her out once in awhile and I worked

 

            9              for her on Saturday.  She paid me 50 cents

 

           10              for the whole day.

 

           11                      I'm a commercial real estate

 

           12              appraiser and a real estate broker.  I'm the

 

           13              President of Scranton Appraisal Group and

 

           14              Scranton Development Group.  I have been in

 

           15              real estate for over 40 years, completed

 

           16              many appraisals on churches in Lackawanna

 

           17              and Luzerne Counties.  I have spoken with

 

           18              Bishop Joseph F. Martino, Chancellor James

 

           19              P. Early, Father Francis Torsick and many

 

           20              other priests.

 

           21                      I have completed an appraisal of St.

 

           22              John's Baptist Catholic Church which is

 

           23              located right around the corner at 1314-1316

 

           24              Broadway Street.  We have completed many

 

           25              detailed narrative commercial reports 50 to


 

 

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            1              100 pages from the sales comparison

 

            2              approach, the income approach, and we don't

 

            3              usually do the cost approach because

 

            4              churches are very old, but we do estimate

 

            5              what the land value is.  Most Catholic

 

            6              churches are masonry structures and are of

 

            7              Superior quality and in excellent condition.

 

            8              Most churches are in residential zones which

 

            9              does not allow commercial uses.

 

           10                      However, city council and the zoning

 

           11              board agreed to rezone Catholic churches to

 

           12              commercial uses, the Diocese can lease these

 

           13              churches to lend a commercial use such as a

 

           14              DayCare center, office use, nursing home or

 

           15              other limited commercial uses.  In this

 

           16              economic downfall, Scranton Diocese is

 

           17              losing parishioners and are going to sell

 

           18              the structure below market value.  If the

 

           19              Diocese leases the churches for limited

 

           20              commercial use they can benefit by

 

           21              collecting additional income and maybe in

 

           22              the future there will be an increase in

 

           23              parishioners and the city can collect taxes

 

           24              on those properties.

 

           25                      Also, I did a church in Lynburg,


 

 

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            1              Byzantine Catholic Church of Lynburg located

 

            2              on Gravel Pond Road.  What they did was they

 

            3              converted that into a bank a couple of years

 

            4              ago.

 

            5                      The church on Fifth and Broadway may

 

            6              have other uses available, what is the value

 

            7              of the church as it is now?  I will do an

 

            8              appraisal on this structure at no charge

 

            9              just to see what the value is.  I would like

 

           10              to save the Catholic churches and schools

 

           11              and offer my experience in appraising

 

           12              churches.  That's all I have to say.  Thank

 

           13              you very much.

 

           14                      MR. MCGOFF: Thank you.  Charlie

 

           15              Newcomb.

 

           16                      MR. NEWCOMB:  Good evening, City

 

           17              Council.  I am here this evening on two

 

           18              topics.  One is has become over the last

 

           19              couple of months a personal mission of mine.

 

           20              This past April we lost my grandmother, but

 

           21              the worst part is we had to bury her in the

 

           22              Washburn Street Cemetery.  Why I say the

 

           23              worst part is that we had to bury her in the

 

           24              Washburn Street Cemetery is, if any one of

 

           25              you drive by this overgrown deplorable


 

 

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            1              cemetery, you will see how sad it truly is.

 

            2              My mother had to bury her mom in this

 

            3              deplorable place.  This past weekend it was

 

            4              so bad that my own mother couldn't get out

 

            5              of my vehicle to pay respects to her mom

 

            6              because the cemetery is in such a disgraced

 

            7              condition.  There is overgrown grass all

 

            8              summer.  We have to cut the grass around the

 

            9              tombstones ourselves.  I'm not the only

 

           10              person that goes there.  You go over there

 

           11              on a weekend you will find 10, 20 people

 

           12              doing the same thing.

 

           13                      There is no phone number listed for

 

           14              the cemetery.  I had to get a phone number

 

           15              from our funeral director.  I called the

 

           16              gentleman on his cell phone to voice my

 

           17              complaint and he told me there is no money

 

           18              to do anything.  That's not my problem,

 

           19              that's not your problem, that's not

 

           20              anybody's problem that is buried in that

 

           21              cemetery that paid money to take care of

 

           22              their graves.  It truly has become a

 

           23              disgusting condition to put it bluntly.

 

           24                      If my home, your home, anybody's

 

           25              home looked like this cemetery did you would


 

 

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            1              be cited for blight, so I ask this city to

 

            2              cite these people for blight and give them

 

            3              30 days to clean up the cemetery and cite

 

            4              them every day because I should not have to

 

            5              go over there and clean up for something

 

            6              that we paid for and neither should anybody

 

            7              else have to.

 

            8                      There is hundreds, upon thousands of

 

            9              people in this city that have loved ones

 

           10              buried in that cemetery and it's truly a

 

           11              disgrace.  Not only is the gras overgrown,

 

           12              but there is tombstones toppled all over the

 

           13              place.  I was told by a gentleman that fixes

 

           14              the tombstones that these are not cause of

 

           15              vandals, it's because the poor drainage in

 

           16              the cemetery and not properly maintained.

 

           17                      We buried my grandmother on April 3

 

           18              and it took until July 2 for somebody to

 

           19              come over and fill in the grave because it

 

           20              had sank so bad.  It's truly sad.  I have

 

           21              family members buried in both Cathedral and

 

           22              Dunmore cemeteries and if you go to those

 

           23              cemeteries you leave there in peace.  You

 

           24              cannot do this at that Washburn Street

 

           25              Cemetery.  I drive by there ever day going


 

 

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            1              and coming from work and this summer truly

 

            2              is the worst it's ever been.

 

            3                      To move onto other topic that I have

 

            4              come here time and time again, I ask did

 

            5              anybody receive my e-mails that I sent two

 

            6              weeks ago for the water problem?

 

            7                      MS. EVANS: Yes.

 

            8                      MR. NEWCOMB:  If you can see from

 

            9              these e-mails, this past spring my wife and

 

           10              I put thousands of dollars into our property

 

           11              and 35 tons of soil and dirt to bring up our

 

           12              property.  Our foundation costs us $4,000 to

 

           13              fix to stop the water from coming in.

 

           14              Fortunately, for me we solved the problem

 

           15              with the exception that when the water comes

 

           16              up over the street and there is no where

 

           17              else to go it's going to come in the yard.

 

           18              The flooding this summer has just been

 

           19              unreal.  There is mosquitos right in front

 

           20              of my house.  You can't even let the kids go

 

           21              outside because the water just ponds there.

 

           22                      Nobody seems -- Mrs. Gatelli, I know

 

           23              you had the city come over and they put in a

 

           24              drain, that works to get rid of some of the

 

           25              problem, but it doesn't help it.  I know


 

 

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            1              Mrs. Evans you have tried and time and time

 

            2              again to help, but it's just getting bad and

 

            3              neighbors are actually come outside and they

 

            4              cry because they say, "Why doesn't anybody

 

            5              want to do anything about this problem?"

 

            6                      No offense, Mr. McGoff, but I'm

 

            7              still waiting for you to come over because I

 

            8              know you said about two years you would come

 

            9              over and look at the problem and you'd take

 

           10              personal interest in it and nothing has

 

           11              happened.  Like I said, I think I helped the

 

           12              problem to stop the water from coming into

 

           13              my home, but unfortunately the rest of the

 

           14              neighborhood is just -- is getting hit

 

           15              pretty hard.

 

           16                      MS. GATELLI: Did you get any relief

 

           17              from Keyser Avenue?

 

           18                      MR. NEWCOMB: No.

 

           19                      MS. GATELLI:  You know, that there

 

           20              is no storm drains up there?

 

           21                      MR. NEWCOMB:  No, that's the problem

 

           22              the water needs to be stopped from Keyser

 

           23              Avenue --

 

           24                      MS. GATELLI: I know.

 

           25                      MR. NEWCOMB: And it comes from


 

 

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            1              Keyser Avenue and we are the lowest point

 

            2              and that's were where it settles, so you

 

            3              either need to put drains right across

 

            4              Keyser Avenue or at the bottom of us you

 

            5              need to make some kind of gully system or

 

            6              something to stop the water because when the

 

            7              engineers came over from the Sewer Authority

 

            8              they said there is a 18-inch pipe that goes

 

            9              into a 24-inch pipe -- or, I'm sorry, I have

 

           10              it backwards, a 24-inch pipe that goes into

 

           11              a 18-inch pipe.  That's not going to hold

 

           12              that type of water.  You are talking about

 

           13              thousands of gallons of water that comes

 

           14              down within a matter of ten minutes.  It's

 

           15              really, really sad.

 

           16                      And one other quick question I have

 

           17              if I can, do we know if we charge insurance

 

           18              companies for the use of Rescue 1 in car

 

           19              accident?  Did we use to?

 

           20                      MS. FANUCCI: I don't know that.

 

           21                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  We might have in

 

           22              the past, I don't think we do now.

 

           23                      MR. NEWCOMB:  I think that's

 

           24              something that we look into to make revenue

 

           25              for the city.  You see them all of the time


 

 

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            1              responding to accidents and the ambulance

 

            2              charge for their services, I can't see why

 

            3              Rescue 1 of the city can't charge for their

 

            4              services as well.  But, personally, I ask

 

            5              you to please look into the Washburn Street

 

            6              Cemetery because it really is a sad

 

            7              situation.  It's really, really bad.  Thank

 

            8              you.

 

            9                      MR. MCGOFF: Marie Schumacher.  Or,

 

           10              excuse me, I'm sorry, I keep jumping ahead.

 

           11              Chris Hughes.

 

           12                      MR. HUGHES: Good evening, Council.

 

           13              Thanks for giving me the chance to speak

 

           14              tonight.  My name is Chris Hughes.  I'm 25,

 

           15              I'm a lifelong resident of the city.  I want

 

           16              to come tonight because I see a problem in

 

           17              the city, but I don't hear anybody

 

           18              presenting any kind of positive solutions

 

           19              and any positive alternatives.  The problem

 

           20              I see is blighted properties and what

 

           21              happens to blighted properties once the

 

           22              bricks, the mortar and the tenants are gone

 

           23              for months and possibly years at a time.

 

           24                      Right now where I live, in the

 

           25              section of West Side where I live, there are


 

 

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            1              two vacant properties completely vacant, no

 

            2              buildings whatsoever within two blocks of

 

            3              each other.  One of those properties sits he

 

            4              at the intersection of Oram Street and North

 

            5              Bromley Avenue, that site apparently owned

 

            6              by a group called 1222 Oram Street, LLC.

 

            7              I'm hoping from what I have been told by

 

            8              neighbors that's a group of neighbors that

 

            9              bought the property.  I'm hoping they do

 

           10              something to develop it.

 

           11                      The property that I'm more concerned

 

           12              with because it doesn't seem like anybody is

 

           13              doing anything with it sits at the corner of

 

           14              North Bromley and Pettibone Street just up

 

           15              from the Turkey Hill on Main Avenue in West

 

           16              Side.  I don't know if anybody -- if you are

 

           17              familiar with that.  Mr. Courtright is

 

           18              giving me a nod.  I'm coming here because I

 

           19              want to learn a few things.  I would like to

 

           20              see the property positively developed

 

           21              probably to the chagrin of many, but

 

           22              possibly as a neighborhood community garden.

 

           23              A project like this would probably solve at

 

           24              least two problems in the city, it would

 

           25              develop a blighted property and something


 

 

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            1              positive and it could foster a sense of

 

            2              community that I think is missing in the

 

            3              City of Scranton these days.

 

            4                      There is a couple of preliminary

 

            5              questions that I have, and I'm sure that if

 

            6              I got any kind of approval for this kind of

 

            7              a project there would be many more that

 

            8              would come forward down the road.  I guess

 

            9              the first question would be, could I as a

 

           10              civilian obtain any kind of community

 

           11              development grant, block development grant

 

           12              for this kind of project?  If I could where

 

           13              could I go to apply for that kind of grant?

 

           14              What office, whether it be in the city or

 

           15              the county level.  Could somebody who owns

 

           16              the property, how much it's worth, how to

 

           17              obtain it.  And I guess the final

 

           18              preliminary question would be what kind of

 

           19              approval what I need to get from

 

           20              neighborhoods, there is two schools in the

 

           21              community, Charles Sumner and John Marshall,

 

           22              would I need any kind of approval from the

 

           23              zoning boards to get this kind of project

 

           24              moving forward.  If there is any kind of

 

           25              correspondence, I could deal with the


 

 

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            1              members of council.  I'd be happy to give

 

            2              you my e-mail address off camera, my cell

 

            3              phone number, whatever I could give you to

 

            4              keep moving forward.

 

            5                      If you don't have answers tonight I

 

            6              understand because it's probably something

 

            7              you didn't expect, but I appreciate any kind

 

            8              of information you can give me because I'd

 

            9              like to see, like I said, something positive

 

           10              happening with the sites.

 

           11                      MS. FANUCCI: Certainly I can help

 

           12              you with the contact OECD to try to obtain

 

           13              type of funding, but I think your first

 

           14              source is trying to find out who owns the

 

           15              property, so I think we should start there

 

           16              to see if it's available.

 

           17                      MR. HUGHES: Would be from the County

 

           18              Assessor's Office?

 

           19                      MS. GATELLI: The Assessor's.

 

           20                      MS. FANUCCI: The Assessor's Office

 

           21              would be where you would go for that, and

 

           22              then after that it would be OECD and you

 

           23              would want to contact them and tell them

 

           24              what it is that you looking for, but you

 

           25              would have to acquisition of the property


 

 

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            1              first.

 

            2                      MR. HUGHES: Sure.

 

            3                      MS. FANUCCI:  So that's your first

 

            4              step.

 

            5                      MR. HUGHES: And this is probably

 

            6              more of an opinion question, but would that

 

            7              be better served as like a civilian thing or

 

            8              would it be better --

 

            9                      MS. FANUCCI: What are you trying to

 

           10              do, you want to do a community center?

 

           11                      MR. HUGHES: No, no, like --

 

           12                      MS. FANUCCI: Community gardens.

 

           13                      MR. HUGHES: Like an outdoor

 

           14              community garden.  My vision is to have it

 

           15              fenced in, to use a Scranton based business

 

           16              which would be the Earth Box business to

 

           17              have container gardens set up so I wouldn't

 

           18              have to worry about tilling land or anything

 

           19              like that, and use existing parking on the

 

           20              sides of the streets.

 

           21                      MS. FANUCCI:  Well, you could

 

           22              probably start a nonprofit then, right?

 

           23                      MR. HUGHES: That would be my guess,

 

           24              but --

 

           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I would think that


 

 

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            1              nonprofit would be your best route.

 

            2                      MS. GATELLI: And there is a

 

            3              gentleman that came here, I don't recall his

 

            4              name, that was doing community gardens.

 

            5                      MR. HUGHES:  Really?

 

            6                      MS. FANUCCI:  He has been here for

 

            7              awhile.  Actually, I do have his e-mail.

 

            8                      MS. EVANS:  It's Mr. Murphy.  I

 

            9              think he resides in Greenridge.  He was

 

           10              interested in that.  I don't know that it

 

           11              came to fruition.  I know I had sent some

 

           12              volunteers to attend his meetings and sadly

 

           13              the meetings weren't conducted.  But I

 

           14              think, you know, also it would to your

 

           15              advantage when applying for a CDBG grant,

 

           16              for example.  First of all, you have to

 

           17              ascertain and if this is a low to moderate

 

           18              income area; and then secondly, your chances

 

           19              are improved if you are a group that is

 

           20              applying rather than an individual and, of

 

           21              course, the current round of CDBG's are now

 

           22              in process and that is for funding within

 

           23              the 2010 fiscal year, so that in terms of a

 

           24              CDBG grant they are going to need to wait

 

           25              until next summer for application and


 

 

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            1              receipt of funds then probably in 2011.

 

            2                      MR. HUGHES: Okay.  Do have an

 

            3              estimated time as to when the grant would

 

            4              have be to sent in?

 

            5                      MS. FANUCCI: Just in response, I

 

            6              want to say this first, we don't believe

 

            7              it's in a low to moderate income area.

 

            8                      MR. HUGHES: I don't believe it is

 

            9              either.

 

           10                      MS. FANUCCI: So you would not be

 

           11              able to apply for that funding, but there

 

           12              would be other sources depending on what it

 

           13              is you are looking for.  If you leave your

 

           14              e-mail with Neil I certainly will contact

 

           15              you and see what we can do.

 

           16                      MR. HUGHES: Thank you.

 

           17                      MR. MCGOFF: Marie Schumacher.

 

           18                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Marie Schumacher,

 

           19              city resident and member of the Taxpayers'

 

           20              Association.  Before I start with the

 

           21              remarks that I prepared for tonight, did I

 

           22              hear correctly that we will have a new

 

           23              Recovery Plan imposed on us that will not

 

           24              come to council or come before the voters?

 

           25                      MS. FANUCCI: I believe it has to


 

 

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            1              come to council because I think we have to

 

            2              adopt it as legislation 'am I correct, Amil?

 

            3                      MR. MINORA: Yes.

 

            4                      MS. EVANS: YES.

 

            5                      MS. FANUCCI:  So it does have to

 

            6              come before council.

 

            7                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I misheard, okay.

 

            8              Now, the capital budget, Section 904 of the

 

            9              Home Rule Charter states:  "Capital budget

 

           10              shall contain:  One, a summary of it's

 

           11              contents.  Two, a list of all capital

 

           12              improvements which are proposed to be

 

           13              undertaken during five fiscal years and

 

           14              ensuing with appropriate supporting

 

           15              information as to the necessity for such

 

           16              improvements.  Three, cost estimated, method

 

           17              of financing, and recommended time schedule

 

           18              for such improvements.  Four, estimated

 

           19              annual cost of operating and maintaining

 

           20              facilities to be constructed or acquired.

 

           21              Five, inventory replacement schedule for

 

           22              purchase and replacement of major

 

           23              equipment."

 

           24                      I have to tell you that this is the

 

           25              poorest excuse for capital budget I have


 

 

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            1              ever seen.

 

            2                      MS. EVANS: I agree.

 

            3                      MS. SCHUMACHER: I cannot believe

 

            4              that anybody didn't have enough pride to not

 

            5              bother submitting this.  Not only is it

 

            6              several months late, but it is totally out

 

            7              of comport with the Home Rule Charter.

 

            8              Where are the projects within each

 

            9              department?  Why did council approve the

 

           10              $50,000 budgeted for Genesis Wildlife Center

 

           11              to Leadership Lackawanna for Hanlon's Grove?

 

           12              Where is the greenhouse funding?  Why are

 

           13              nonmunicipal entities allowed to initiate

 

           14              capital projects?  Every capital project

 

           15              should be in the city budget and it should

 

           16              be shown as approved by council with a

 

           17              nonmunicipal entity shown as the funding

 

           18              sources once it is approved by council.

 

           19                      We have been out of compliance for

 

           20              years and years.  I think the last one of

 

           21              the Connors' administration the only one

 

           22              that was done correctly, and I think it's

 

           23              time that you make this administration shape

 

           24              up.  It is just terrible.  Where are the

 

           25              streets to be paved?  There is money in the


 

 

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            1              OECD budget that you have received for today

 

            2              to have streets paving.  That's a capital

 

            3              project that should be in there.  I just

 

            4              don't know.  I don't know why you let them

 

            5              get away with this and I think it's time

 

            6              that this year you stop it and get a correct

 

            7              budget.

 

            8                      MS. EVANS: Ms. Schumacher, I agree

 

            9              with you --

 

           10                      MS. SCHUMACHER: 5-D -- my time.

 

           11              I've got five here.

 

           12                      MS. EVANS: I'm sorry.

 

           13                      MS. SCHUMACHER: Thank you though.

 

           14              5-D, I ask council to obtain the full list

 

           15              of applications, not just those selected for

 

           16              inclusion in the CDBG budget that's proposed

 

           17              to you tonight.  Why are there no non

 

           18              agilged funds for emergency fuel help?  We

 

           19              all know what shape people are in

 

           20              economically, we know what's happening to

 

           21              utility rates and not a penny for emergency

 

           22              fuel help?  That is -- that is terrible.

 

           23                      I mean, I wonder why I waste my time

 

           24              going to these meetings when they look for

 

           25              citizen input and you take your time and you


 

 

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            1              go down and you remind them of these things

 

            2              and then forward comes the budget, but I

 

            3              think we should all, every citizen, should

 

            4              see all of the applications that were

 

            5              received and their recommendations and I

 

            6              would like to that you would request tonight

 

            7              that we all do see the all of the

 

            8              applications.

 

            9                      5-E on tonight's agenda.  It should

 

           10              be publically that SLIBCO is not losing any

 

           11              funding in this transaction, rather SLIBCO

 

           12              will receive a quarter of a million dollars

 

           13              from the federal stimulus funding.  This

 

           14              transaction begs the question of where the

 

           15              CDBG-R for recovery itemized budget is

 

           16              showing all of the stimulus funding.  It's

 

           17              referenced in the backup, but where is it?

 

           18              The city clerk's office doesn't have it.

 

           19              This dash "R" plan is listed in the backup,

 

           20              it should be available in the clerks office

 

           21              and I would recommend that you see that

 

           22              that's received before next week's meeting.

 

           23                      Speaking of the Clerk's Office, I

 

           24              would like to make a recommendation

 

           25              regarding authorities.  During -- may I


 

 

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            1              finish this thought?  I'll bring the rest

 

            2              next week?

 

            3                      MR. MCGOFF: Please.

 

            4                      MS. SCHUMACHER: During the August

 

            5              recess the deal the Parking Authority made

 

            6              with Molly Brannigans came to light.  I

 

            7              called the clerk's office to request an

 

            8              appointment to review the Scranton Parking

 

            9              Authority 2009 meeting minutes only to be

 

           10              informed that city council does not receive

 

           11              these minutes.  I was going to go over that

 

           12              third item, but since we taxpayers are the

 

           13              ones that are left holding the bag if the

 

           14              authorities' default, I believe council

 

           15              should request minutes of each authority be

 

           16              forwarded to council, even an open records

 

           17              request if that's what it takes to get

 

           18              compliance in a timely manner and so noted

 

           19              when received in your agenda item three.

 

           20              And God Lord willing, I'll be back next week

 

           21              with the rest of my comments.  Thank you.

 

           22                      MR. MCGOFF: Jim Stucker.

 

           23                      MR. STUCKER: How you doing?

 

           24                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Hi, Jim.

 

           25                      MR. STUCKER: Hi.  I was at the


 

 

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            1              festival, I had a good time, three days, it

 

            2              worked out four days.

 

            3                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Good.

 

            4                       MR. STUCKER: And what about them

 

            5              houses now, the one on Greenridge, are they

 

            6              going to get --

 

            7                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I know.  They

 

            8              boarded it up though, Jim.  They didn't tear

 

            9              it down yet, but it's boarded up.

 

           10                      MR. STUCKER: When are they ripping

 

           11              it down?

 

           12                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  I don't know.

 

           13                      MR. STUCKER:  And I was wondering

 

           14              about that street by the courthouse, by the

 

           15              post office courthouse, that road is bad.

 

           16              They have to put a new road in there.

 

           17                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  Yep.

 

           18                      MR. STUCKER: All right.  And Pocius

 

           19              they said, I don't know if it was one of

 

           20              your friends come into Sheeley's Drug Store,

 

           21              he said Pocius found my bike.

 

           22                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Okay.

 

           23                      MR. STUCKER: He had a green blazar.

 

           24              He said he knows you.

 

           25                      MR. COURTRIGHT:  He knows me?


 

 

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            1                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.

 

            2                      MR. COURTRIGHT: What bike, Jim, not

 

            3              the scooter?

 

            4                      MR. STUCKER: No my brand new

 

            5              mountain bike.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And what happened,

 

            7              it was stolen?

 

            8                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah, it was stolen

 

            9              outside of Bernie's Bar.

 

           10                      MR. COURTRIGHT: And they said I have

 

           11              it?

 

           12                      MR. STUCKER: Well, Pocius --

 

           13                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Pocius?

 

           14                      MR. STUCKER: Yeah.  Pocius said he

 

           15              gave it to you.

 

           16                      MR. COURTRIGHT: I don't think

 

           17              Mr. Pocius has your bike, Jim.

 

           18                       MR. STUCKER: I just talked to a guy

 

           19              in a green blazar, he said you -- he said

 

           20              Pocius -- the guy in the green blazar told

 

           21              me, I don't know his name, he said he will

 

           22              give you a call or Pocius give him a call

 

           23              and said they found the bike, he did, so he

 

           24              is supposed to get back to you about it, so

 

           25              you might have to call Pocius.


 

 

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            1                      MR. COURTRIGHT: Jim, I don't think

 

            2              Mr. Pocius has your bike, Buddy.  I think

 

            3              they were teasing you.

 

            4                       MR. STUCKER: The kid was tall, a

 

            5              tall kid and two other kids, too.

 

            6                      MR. COURTRIGHT: You know what to do,

 

            7              Jim, get his name so that I can call him

 

            8              because I think he is fooling around with

 

            9              you.

 

           10                       MR. STUCKER: All right.  Now we got

 

           11              these skateboards and they are on on where I

 

           12              live on Adams Avenue in that big tall

 

           13              building, right around the corner of

 

           14              Mulberry, the kids live in this building,

 

           15              they were there tonight with the skateboards

 

           16              bouncing off -- the cops -- this cop here

 

           17              went right up the street, he had to come